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On the other hand I asked Chatgpt about the model used in EN. This is the answer:
When an external product says it uses “GPT-4 architecture”, it usually means:
uses a model derived from, compatible with, or based on the GPT-4 family, not necessarily the newest version, nor complete, nor with all the capabilities, and many times it is a model optimized for enterprise integration, not identical to the model that ChatGPT uses directly.
In other words: it's GPT-4 technology, but it's not exactly the same model that ChatGPT Premium uses today.
Integrations typically use: a stabilized version, with reduced parameters, Optimized for organization, text and summary tasks, and above all with a lower and predictable cost for Evernote.
That means:
📌 Not the most powerful OpenAI model
📌 Not the same model as ChatGPT Plus or GPT-5/5.1
📌 But it is more robust than the models used by the Free plan.
Good point and excellent workaround. It can't manipulate the contents of a note, its can add tags but not change the main note. If you ask it to add the contents to a note you should get a little interface that lets you add at the bottom of the note or where your cursor is.
How do you think the AI assistant and Evernote would fair given how ChatGPT and others are actually moving to build connectors - eg all that you have described is possible, but now with ChatGPT being the hub which can communicate and coordinate the spokes like Evernote, Trip.com, SharePoint, Amazon, Dropbox, Notion etc.
I think the biggest benefit is that its an all in one tool. I've not bothered opening ChatGPT for a couple of days apart from creating the image for this post.
It could replace ChatGPT for a lot of folk if they don't use features like image generation, custom GPTs or the connectors. In the future I could see connectors built into Evernote but that's speculation.
Thanks for the overview. I haven't received the update yet.
Is it possible to have it start with my notes and search the web to expand or is it limited to Notes OR Web? It would be nice to not sift through known info.
In your pdf example, were the results extracted sentences or summary of topics?
Can it summarize info across notes to create a master note? Similar to a contents page with context. That would be cool.
The default is to search your notes, but... if it can't find an answer it will go to the knowledge of the AI and the web, it tells you in the answer.
If you want to include web in a search you click the Web Search button and it then defaults to the web.
You can do both, either/or. Just tell it what you want.
In the PDF example it was neither extracted sentences or a summary, it looked at the information in the PDF and answered the question i posed. You could ask it for a summary or quotes if you want.
I imagine it would be able to summarise a bunch of notes. It would certainly give you the option to create a new note for the summary. I'll add it to the list of things to try.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos Jon, they really help to show the power of this. I can see how you could avoid a ChatGPT subscription, and much more convenient than using NotebookLM or a chatbot outside of Evernote. I think one enhancement would be to use British English for chats. I could see a few Americanisms creeping in there.
I'm quite surprised they are releasing EVE ahead of a full V11, although I can see why they'd prefer a slower roll out to fine tune any issues and see how it scales.
Yes. Lots of Z's all over the place. I've told chat GPT in the settings to use British English, would be nice for a similar setting.
Yeah. I think scaling and feedback is useful right now. For a few weeks I've been letting them know when it gives a response that's not what I expect, a few others in the expert community have been helping but there's nothing quite like real world testing.
Ah, so you using ”EVE” (let’s go with that) not only to interact with your Evernote notes, but also as a ”regular” chat bot as you would use ChatGPT separately?
That would make the AI feature much more useful, and justify the upcoming price increase.
Might there be a video coming to inspire us how to make use of ”EVE”…? ;-)
Thanks for illuminating me as to what the AI feature could be used for, just waiting for it to show up in my account now
/jonaz
🤦 Just realized I perhaps should watch the videos you had in the post (doh). They were very useful, thanks!
development. I'm mostly hoping it can operate like NotebookLM by answering questions based only on specified tags or notebooks (and not other notes or fresh search results). So I'm hoping you are able to address that in one of your upcoming posts.
Is it your understanding most further AI developments in the next year or so will be mostly tweaks? Or do you believe Evernote's AI will be undergoing significant development in the near future? Having some idea about that will help me judge how much to revise my workflows at this time.
Yes. As long as you tell it what to look at it should be able to look inside notebooks and tags.
I'll add it to the list of demos to do. Will be interesting to see how it works.
Not sure about the future. I would imagine they'll settle and bug fix after it gets launched and then look at the feedback.
One thing that interests me is the plus sign in the prompt box. Right now it just has Web Search as an option but I could see in the future Google Drive, One Drive, local files and maybe other apps included so it could reference data not in Evernote. This is total speculation though.
Hi Jon:
On the other hand I asked Chatgpt about the model used in EN. This is the answer:
When an external product says it uses “GPT-4 architecture”, it usually means:
uses a model derived from, compatible with, or based on the GPT-4 family, not necessarily the newest version, nor complete, nor with all the capabilities, and many times it is a model optimized for enterprise integration, not identical to the model that ChatGPT uses directly.
In other words: it's GPT-4 technology, but it's not exactly the same model that ChatGPT Premium uses today.
Integrations typically use: a stabilized version, with reduced parameters, Optimized for organization, text and summary tasks, and above all with a lower and predictable cost for Evernote.
That means:
📌 Not the most powerful OpenAI model
📌 Not the same model as ChatGPT Plus or GPT-5/5.1
📌 But it is more robust than the models used by the Free plan.
WHen I ask AI Assistant to copy things into a new note, I get this: I can't directly create new notes for you, but here's a simple workaround:
You can copy the strategy text below and paste it into a new Evernote note.
Good point and excellent workaround. It can't manipulate the contents of a note, its can add tags but not change the main note. If you ask it to add the contents to a note you should get a little interface that lets you add at the bottom of the note or where your cursor is.
Hi JON:
I am a paid user of EN, I have a laptop with W11, recently when it was updated, it offered me the AI assistant interface.
On the same account, same version of EN, but on my PC with W10 it does not offer me the same.
Interesting. I would try a log out and back in again on the W10 PC and see if that kicks the new feature off.
I just did it. That was the solution. Thanks.
How do you think the AI assistant and Evernote would fair given how ChatGPT and others are actually moving to build connectors - eg all that you have described is possible, but now with ChatGPT being the hub which can communicate and coordinate the spokes like Evernote, Trip.com, SharePoint, Amazon, Dropbox, Notion etc.
I think the biggest benefit is that its an all in one tool. I've not bothered opening ChatGPT for a couple of days apart from creating the image for this post.
It could replace ChatGPT for a lot of folk if they don't use features like image generation, custom GPTs or the connectors. In the future I could see connectors built into Evernote but that's speculation.
Thanks for the overview. I haven't received the update yet.
Is it possible to have it start with my notes and search the web to expand or is it limited to Notes OR Web? It would be nice to not sift through known info.
In your pdf example, were the results extracted sentences or summary of topics?
Can it summarize info across notes to create a master note? Similar to a contents page with context. That would be cool.
The default is to search your notes, but... if it can't find an answer it will go to the knowledge of the AI and the web, it tells you in the answer.
If you want to include web in a search you click the Web Search button and it then defaults to the web.
You can do both, either/or. Just tell it what you want.
In the PDF example it was neither extracted sentences or a summary, it looked at the information in the PDF and answered the question i posed. You could ask it for a summary or quotes if you want.
I imagine it would be able to summarise a bunch of notes. It would certainly give you the option to create a new note for the summary. I'll add it to the list of things to try.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos Jon, they really help to show the power of this. I can see how you could avoid a ChatGPT subscription, and much more convenient than using NotebookLM or a chatbot outside of Evernote. I think one enhancement would be to use British English for chats. I could see a few Americanisms creeping in there.
I'm quite surprised they are releasing EVE ahead of a full V11, although I can see why they'd prefer a slower roll out to fine tune any issues and see how it scales.
Yes. Lots of Z's all over the place. I've told chat GPT in the settings to use British English, would be nice for a similar setting.
Yeah. I think scaling and feedback is useful right now. For a few weeks I've been letting them know when it gives a response that's not what I expect, a few others in the expert community have been helping but there's nothing quite like real world testing.
Ah, so you using ”EVE” (let’s go with that) not only to interact with your Evernote notes, but also as a ”regular” chat bot as you would use ChatGPT separately?
That would make the AI feature much more useful, and justify the upcoming price increase.
Might there be a video coming to inspire us how to make use of ”EVE”…? ;-)
Thanks for illuminating me as to what the AI feature could be used for, just waiting for it to show up in my account now
/jonaz
🤦 Just realized I perhaps should watch the videos you had in the post (doh). They were very useful, thanks!
Yeah. You can either just look at your notes, just look at the web or do a bit of both and use web searches to expand on information you already have.
The use cases will be limitless.
Thanks Jon! This is an exciting
development. I'm mostly hoping it can operate like NotebookLM by answering questions based only on specified tags or notebooks (and not other notes or fresh search results). So I'm hoping you are able to address that in one of your upcoming posts.
Is it your understanding most further AI developments in the next year or so will be mostly tweaks? Or do you believe Evernote's AI will be undergoing significant development in the near future? Having some idea about that will help me judge how much to revise my workflows at this time.
Yes. As long as you tell it what to look at it should be able to look inside notebooks and tags.
I'll add it to the list of demos to do. Will be interesting to see how it works.
Not sure about the future. I would imagine they'll settle and bug fix after it gets launched and then look at the feedback.
One thing that interests me is the plus sign in the prompt box. Right now it just has Web Search as an option but I could see in the future Google Drive, One Drive, local files and maybe other apps included so it could reference data not in Evernote. This is total speculation though.